OK figured I'd start my own thread on the new system I'm gathering parts for.

Question to the Guru's..

I already bought an eVGA X58 LE board.  I just noticed that it has the 3gb sata...  The GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R is around the same price and has USB 3.0 and the 6gb Sata.  I have not opened the eVGA and can return it.  Question is, should I get the Gigabyte board instead of the eVGA one?  The SSD drive I will be buying has the 6gb Sata on it....  Anyone hear anything about OCing on this board at all??

Thanks!!

Rah

Well think of one thing.. The next generation of Flight sim from M$ is restarting again..
A  EVGA "LE" is not really what you want. you want an EVGA for it's strengh and SLI's + physics capabilities
You rather get something with "simple" in mind but with ok performance get a gygabyte with one Vcard card, it will run all good but not very good ;) but now since the i920 is getting old and quads maybe is better getting something ok and save for the next.

For me only i'll stay away from those board as mush as i can.. getting a 3x way with your 6 GB and 3.0 USB would be the way..

But first what do you have now ?

You understand that bying a i920 with gyga is basically not a late system already.. ( :( )

Ok if you want an i7 920 you should look into this i7 930 for 199 $

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303 (http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0331303)

GOZR,
           I already have the i7 920.  It will have to do for now...It's a huge upgrade for me anyway.  I've done a bit of homework and decided on the Asus P6X58D Premium mobo.  I trust ASUS...read some reviews and it looks like they have a winner with this board.  The board will also support DDR3 2000 as well as the new hexagon processor that will be coming out so I will be able to upgrade in a couple years.  Oveclocking to 4ghz has been effortless from all the reviews I've seen and it has plenty space for the Megahalems cooler.  The only negative with this board is the price...  I'll be beringing back the eVGA board this weekend to Microcenter and picking up this board instead.

           Yes I'm aware some of the hardware I will be buying, mainly the proc isn't cutting edge anymore, however...it's the most cutting edge that my wallet can deal with at the moment considering the SSD's and all I'm about to buy.

Rah

Cutting-edge is relative anyway...as you know. Going from a dual core (for example) to an i7 920 with a strong OC is like night and day as long as your other hardware mirrors that level of upgrade.

Mine is a year old next month and it still feels new.  :)

That's awesome TB!  Gives me hope!  Upgradability is key to me.  If I can slap faster ram and upcoming processors in it, I'm set!

Well a strong OC!!.. i think this is what is a eak! I don't think Rah is a fanatic of hard core OC

Asus P6X58D = 3 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (at x16/x8/x8 or x16/x16/x1 mode)
This mean if you have an SLI and you old Video card as a physix  your last card will be running only 1 .

It seems to be a good board..

An advice is to save money in block and not buy little by little ..
( Don't place to much faith in Ram ;) )

What is your old Video card?

Ok GOZR...  List the components you would go with...  I can't seem to win...

It's not that I can't buy all the parts right now...it's the fact that I'm not sure what to get..  While I have the money to get it all, I don't want to spend $3k on a computer...I'm the sole breadwinner in the house.  Have to think of the family first...I don't have a boatload of disposable income..

Old card is an eVGA 8800GTX 768MB

The 8800 GTX is still a pretty good card. but i presume you will keep it in the system to have a second PC at hand ( server or home #2 pc )

Quick question..can you give back the 920 and get a 930 for $199?

I would go with Nvidia for sure on the VGA GTX 480 (1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 a big +).. no ATI.

I hated Asus before i had so many trouble but ... the "X58 serie" seems to be an excellent mobo and it still does at list full 2x16 witch is good and ready 32mn cpu's.

My choice would be EVGA classified E760 + some kind of Creative X-FI Fat4lity + i7 930 but it will be more expensive.

You can't go wrong with both..

Btw for the ram what out for latency not ghz and no lower than 6 GB

Yeah see...it's not that I'm not "elite" or hardcore enough...it's the pricing.  Don't have that much disposable income to just throw at pricey hardware.   :'(

Eco and Gunny can I get your feedback?

Yea understandable.. what is the budget ?

We have a very different approch of hardware if i don't have enough cash for some good hardware well i'll get it used .

No matter what do it smartly and do not get one year old hardware if you by new... but maybe get new hardware used.. ;)

ATI 5870.  Keep the profits in Texas.

Absolute best card for ROF - both for graphics appearance and speed.  Don't know about FSX, and since that seems to be your main concern I'd look for FSX users with ATI 5800 series cards and see what their experience is.

There are good and bad to both solutions - it really depends on the app (as you know).  FSX seems pretty complex with many add-ons.  I don't have it.  All the guys I know that fly FSX - do so on Nvidea.

Chukar just built a new system, and I think he has a 5850 or 5870 - hopefully he'll weigh in here too.



S!

Gunny

Strongly disagree !!!
ATI 1GB 256-bit GDDR5
GTX  1536MB 384-bit GDDR5

Both DX11

The 1GB Vcards are already limited in ROF ( a good setting with out any post effect is already at 80+ % maxed out on the Vram ), having more Vram it will open the potential to add all the extra eye candy in ROF or other sims.
Now since you will load all this extra sceneries into FSX. the GTX is more future proof.

Vram is very very important in Flightsim and the GTX is a newer tech etc.. and better and faster card ( the 5870 is a good card too ) and with out all the ATI compability troubles.

I know Gozr, if it's not Nvidea and it's not SLI you disagree - or someone else is stupid - or wasting money.  I understand.  I knew that going in - which is why I didn't post in this thread until Rah asked.

I get it.  I got it months ago.

I still strongly recommend that anyone who is looking for a new video card - look at ALL options.

Now, Rah - Gozr's has some experiences I don't - which is why you should listen to him - concerning FSX.

Gozr and I definitely agree on one thing - Need a minimum of 1 GB Vram - whichever option you take.  If you can get more than 1GB it might not hurt - as long as its contigously addressable (not in banks like GTX295).

Maybe Rah, you should post the cards you are actually looking at and we can give better advice.

S!

Gunny

What are you talking about!.. No body is stupid to my eyes at list ... i just state my opinion about cards not personal and here we are talking of none SLI..  and being real. I hope to have the same in return if i ask for an advice, info or knowledge...
I have my experience and hardware manipulation knowledge.
That about it.. and trust me i'm very very nice and quiet...

I'm trying to suggest what is best for the future since Rha doesn't appear to change PC every year. It's not about feeling or something else..
If like i was saying before ATI was better until the New Nvidia came out with some new goodies under their belt.. ATI or Nvidia i can care less really or where they are from, i care about how the card is and will be in the short future for the apps at task.
Rha asked me too so i just say it... And me too i'm trying to not get too involved .

I test in basically all the flight sims.. Condor/Il2/FSX/RoF/DCS/FC1/Fc2/BoP/F4...

Edited: noticed that we care for you Rha !! ;) and we all want you to get something that will make you happy...

I still strongly recommend that anyone who is looking for a new video card - look at ALL options.

100 % agree and it's what we are talking about.. mind storming until the buy... exiting isn't it ...

I have to quit posting from work when people are sitting in my office and arguing over hardware...  makes me contentious....

Gozr, you said something earlier about used cards.

As I thought about this on the way home, the best advice to Rah maybe to see if he can find a used GTX-285.  Great card - I think more robust than 280 (a little) - same performance but lower power draw and heat. 

That way, you don't have to shell out 350-500 dollars while the market is changing.
These new boards don't offer significant performance boosts across the board.  As long as you have 1GB or more of VRAM - you can turn most things up pretty high.

The reason that I like my ATI better than my Nvidea 280 for ROF, is that I can select AA modes and settings which completely eliminate terrain "shimmering" or pixelization at far ranges over the terrain.  In the beginning it didn't bother me as much as it did Eco, but now it just drives me insane.  There is no way to get non-shimmering with Nvidea, AFAIK.  Maybe something in the new cards/drivers might address this but I have not seen it yet.

S!

Gunny

Yes you are right..

I will see this about the shimering.. curious ! :)

Yeah, that was the big reason I kept it.  Look up ATI AA supersampling vs Nvidea AA supersampling.  Different algorithms.  This is what most of the ATI owners in ROF have been raving about.

S!

Gunny 

Well Rah we will be mother board bro’s.   My system also uses the I7 920, 6g Corsair Dominator, and ATI 5870.  Unfortunately I haven’t over clocked anything or run any performance tests so I can’t really give you anything to compare it to.   It just runs.  I have fairly aggressive settings in FSX and everything else I set to max.   With one weird exception in IL2, running graphics in perfect causing the text to be unreadable when choosing your airfield making it unplayable so you have to set it in Excellent mode.   I haven’t tried the catalyst 10.3 drivers yet.

I chose the 5870 because it was clearly the best at the time and Eyefinity enabled.   However now the GTX 480 is out now and beats the 5870 in most categories, but it does come with some overhead.  
   As the resolution goes up the differences becomes minimal.  The card runs hot, it uses a substantially more power and a bit more expensive.  I don’t have a clue as to the multi monitor support for it.  But all in all if I had to buy today I might go with the 480 but I would look in to the multi monitor support because hopefully someday I will have that.

So what are the news ? got something ?  :)

I bought the eVGA X58 LE board but will be returning it.  What do you think about this board?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131614 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131614)

ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Xtreme Design w/ SLI, CrossfireX, True SATA 6Gb/s +USB 3.0

GOZR?  What you think man?

Well first if you want a SLI or cross 3 ways it's a no go or  SLI + physics it's a no go but !but... but.. if you go with a just a SLI ( 2 cards ) it's good, witch i think for you and your needs it will be already awesome..
!
This board is sharing one PCIE slots.

I think it's a great board!!! Yes.

I apologize GOZR... I now realize that I had already asked about this board.  SO much goin on at home I'm in a daze...  :-[

Get it. Price/performance is a very good board.

;)

What GPU now ?

When you get the RAM go to their website and make sure there is not compability problem with some ram.. just in case.

And get a windows 7 x64...  x64 a must forget about 32 bit now and WIndows XP..

Always exiting when a new system is coming home.. and your experience of flight sims or games will be way different and for the best. :)

So I finally got around to running a benchmark on my system.  At stock with auto configurations and the memory is running at 1333.   The 3Dmark06 score was 18,770 which is almost identical to TB’s 920 build almost a year ago with the Nvidia 285 black.  With a quick OC to 4.2 ghz it scored 26,060.  That happens to be about the same as one of Eco’s I7, 4.2 ghz build with the two Nvidia 260s just to compare.   The OC was a real quick one just to see what it was capable of.  Just bumping the bclk, CPU v and Dram v. everything else was auto or disabled.  While stable it was running to hot to keep it there.  Maybe some tweaking and I’ll find a good medium to run at.   I wanted a 6G SD drive but the little Angle on my shoulder said it was too much your kids need shoes, but then again the little devil got a sound card he didn't need,  Hell summers coming they can make those shoes last.  

Anyway about the board, I have no real complaints,  Fits a big cooler easily, the GPU fits nicely, lots of OC options.

 

mb    Asus P6X58D
cpu   I7 920
hs     Cogage True Spirit
ram   6 GB Corsair Dom 1600
gpu   Sapphire 5870 1GB 850 mhz
hd     WD 1 TB Black
sc     X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty
ps     Corsair TX 850
case CM ATCS 840

Good..
3Dmark06 score on free version do not take in the SLI system if i recall correctly. It will count as just one card.

You can compare with this one i did long ago and just with 8800 GTS.. woot !
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp344/GOZR/w200821111.jpg)

All on the tuning !

Rha you'll be happy with what you will get..

Sa...weeet!

Run that biotch through some RoF at high def and max settings to see what it looks like.  ;)

If you can set it and leave it in the 3.4-3.8ghz range you'll be a happy camper.

Ok Gents...I brought the eVGA board back at lunch today and picked up the ASUS P6X58D Premium.  I'm still lacking memory, storage, GPU ,optical drive, sound and a case.  Working on it though....thanks for the suggestions!!  Will post more as I get more! :)

It's slow as she goes here...  I also just bought a popup camper for the family...  We want the kids to have more memories than "Well...we watched alot of TV...."  So... Some of the cash I had allocated to a new machine I had to spend putting a hitch on the wife's car, etc..

Yes good call .. so now spend it quick !!!! go to newegg or something close to you and go for it.. ;)

Want to know more? don't wait..

You will be very happy with that board Rahman !!!


I just recently built a new box for Rise of Flight with the same board as you and Chukar:

mb    Asus P6X58D Premium
cpu   I7 980Xtreme (currently @ 3.85-4.15Ghz - my first OC, and without even upping the voltage - just multiplier)
hs     CoolerMaster V8
ram   12Gb DDR3 @1600
gpu   eVGA GTX 295 Co-Op
hdd(s)  
c:\ = WD 300 VelociRaptor;
d:\ = Corsair 60GB SSD (ROF Only);
e:\ = WD 1 TB Black

sc     on board
ps     Antec 1200W
case CM HAF-X

(http://www.wingwalkers.org/Forum/download/file.php?id=2988&t=1)

It's a great board!
You're going to love it!

S!

Wow!

Great system Brian. 

S!

Gunny