Tornado here, just curious for some input and info as far as some NEW training . And I need to ask for a vote on changing the Training day, have had a couple of requests for Saturday Trainig.

1. Suggestions for training.

2. Training, move to Sat. or keep it on Sun. ?

S~ and thank you for you response , all are needed please.

TX-Tornado
Blue 3
TX Squadron TO

 

Saturday might be better for those who need to get to bed before work. . like Mr. Rah. Either way works for me, but I might lean towards Saturday because its lame not ever being able to have BLue 2 there. I think there are probably a lot of things to train on, but perhaps writing a game plan out for a month at a time might make life easier, and paint a picture of the overall flow of the training. This way things could link in with the previous sessions etc. and if anyone misses a session it's easy to figure out what was covered.I have been the TO with another squad, and my training sessions were resented by many of the members, and so I guess I tend to keep my head down about this. . . one thing I discovered is the basics that combat pilots take for granted often give them the greatest rewards, things like spin avoidance, getting altitude before engaging and keeping it,  Flap usage (not really needed in FB's FM) low alt combat speed snap roll recovery,  flight and maneuvers at minimum controllable airspeed such as climbs, turns, stalls, spin avoidance via snap rolls with 180 degree recovery and no alt loss, and for the 109 drivers, this is a must for the classic climbing spiral, as the 109's strength comes from taking away that of the uber yaks and LA's by slowing them way down, forcing them to break off or drop a wing, and promptly get killed. This is also the way to take on 10 bandits of the opposing team, even if some of the aircraft are equal or greater climbers you can use your greater comfort at slow flight, and taking them into territory that they can not remain in (the LA are better, the 109 are equal, but generally the pilots don’t seem to know this, and usually they can be taken beyond their comfort level)In FB this is less the case as most of the aircraft can not be stalled or spun no matter how ham-fisted you get, and as such many of the classic maneuvers aren’t factors in the current version of this sim, but I hope that this is fixed in the subsequent patch, and that classic B&Z techniques will be useful when the FM of the sim is finished. (this took two patches on the first IL-2)The thing is, this training is pretty boring for those shoot 'em up types (hehe. . .like combat pilots), and takes practice, smoothness on the stick, and more practice in the type or couple types of airplane that you fly. I never had much luck but with 3 of the pilots we had, and I tell ya that even after I introduced all of the team to the dirt without firing a shot they never acknowledged that they were lacking something, and seemed to think that this training was below them. The current LW_Crewchief and LW_Idaho, and LW_Carp were all at different levels of fighter skills but even lCarp, an  experienced pilot hadnt done this stuff, and with an open mind they all made rapid progress, doing stuff that was below the others, and fly against them now, and if you havent since the old days. . well . .  .you will see! 109 drivers to be avoided!Sadly I think FB now is more a matter of keeping such excessive altitude that the bandits simply can’t get you, and keeping it. .. making one pass at a time, and zooming back up. . .setting up, and zooming back down. Having an official hard deck never hurts to get pilots home, and this seems even truer in FB than before, but again, many are into the down on the deck T&B stuff, but this is typically what ends up getting them killed, and their team mates when they must do the same thing to clear him. Unless they are in an I16, 153 or hurri  ;-PThe other thing is that we have practiced the AG MB RG thing, but we haven’t practiced it much with a large number of enemy bandits, a coop might work, but more so than this, I wonder if a public server wouldn’t be ideal. . after all that is the place we fly, and against human pilots. WE have less control, but if we all simply bail after each drop, or loss of the bomber, we can get some semblance of order on the maneuver. Anayway, this stuff puts the burden on the squadron members, as this stuff doesn’t just get learned, it takes practice and familiarity with the aircraft and it also takes a desire to learn it. I used to always see the other squad members take off and buzz the trees as they went in to the engagement, and no amount of training would get them to change this bad habit, because they didn’t acknowledge the problem, nor did they respect those who suggested there was an issue with it (even if it was Robert Shaw and Mike Spick) and as such the training time was simply wasted time.Right now I am mentoring an aeronautical engineer who is starting his flight training, his aim is to fly the heavies, but he is also a R/C freestyleaerobatics guy, and although he seems to excell at the written stuff, his head is deffinately in another level of aviation, this "get there itis" is great as a means to motivate, but in the real world of aviation its also a number 1 killer. You don't barrel roll, untill you can fly straight and level. . . in the sim, we all start with the barrel roll.S!TX-EcoDragon

I am in the midsts of the next TX movie. I could use the training time to run a few coops and start capturing tracks for the movie.TX-KingsnakeWhite 1

S~ All,Personally I would like to keep it on Sunday , and to be honest with you there isnt a better time to do this than the time we've been doing it. Its sort of set in stone with the wife as well , which always helps. So , my personal vote is that its left at the same time. Sorry guys , thats just me though.As far as training goes , I think  we need more formation and team intight ACM practice , so that when we get out there we actually do operate as a unit. I realize that we are on comms which is a huge advantage , but at the same time , I find that we often fly totally separate from each other despite the comms. I think we need to truly live by the wingman code. If there are 3 of us , we fly a loose V formation etc. until we need to break for the merge.I would love to see more practice of head on combat with 4v4 etc , so we can practice techniques that we would use alot online.Anyway...theres my 2 cents...S~Cya up there...TX-ShadowWhite 3

p.s-If King is going to be capturing film from this training for the Movie though , I suggest that we do a major strike operation as one big unit against AI at least. Who would host this though ? We dont have the OC3 anymore.Shadow

I'm good for Saturday or Sunday Training.I agree with Eco,  I know I need lots of fighter training, and I'm will to listen and put to use my new found skills. I used to fly the 109 a lot in the old IL2, but never really gave it a chance in FB. TX-Bomblast

I vote for Saturdays.Gives me more time on Sundy night to wash my hair.All 6 of them that I have left......( two teenage daughters )~S~BK

Black 2, is that an official vote?? hehe

I can go for Sat or Sun, but lean for Sat.TX-Rex

Saturday / Sunday makes no difference to me.   I would like to see as Eco suggested, seeing training laid out in advance.  Might also be nice to set some time aside once in a while so flights could train on some stuff on their own. P.S.   Everbody knows your suppose to do your hair on Saturday!TX-ChukarBlue 1

OK then all you saturday people.....Exactly when on saturday were you thinking ? Earlier than the normal meeting time ? Id hardly ever make a meeting . Same time frame on Sat. night ? (which is 10 eastern for me)  would mean that if we're still out at a dinner party with friends or family, which happens quite often,  I'd  miss out on the meeting. I would think that we would have a much higher number of people missing from Sat. night meetings than Sun. night meetings  for obvious reasons. Big events are planned for saturdays and saturday evenings.Ive been with 3 squads in my time online over the past decade. All 3 ended up using Sun eve to night , as most of the squad may be tired Mon. morning but theyd be there. :-)Something to consider.....S~White-3 Shadow

Saturday would mean  I could almost always attend, I work such a goofy schedule, but Saturdays im usually free.Man I miss the OC3!!!!!~S TX-Raptor   White 2

What about having training on Friday night?  Seems like we sometimes have a rather large turnout on that night...TX-Deck out.

Myself being on Eastern Time I may find Saturday easier to stay later and not be limited to around 1:00AM EST because I need  to get up by 6:00AM on Monday to get ready for work.S~TX-FlightRisk Black 3

Can someone with Admin Abilities put up the vote thing for us to use  plz. Me personally, I'm not married and have no kids or life to speak of so I am VERY flexible for the Sat. , Fri, or Sunday training. Since it's not set in stone , we'll train tonite as always. 21:00 TX Training room. I think we should go into the pubs and work on the ACM, such as, C6, AC, RD in real world time. I'll work on a monthly layout starting today. We have a good size squad with great pilots, no reason we shouldnt run ruff-shod over the opposition everytime we show up in a pub in numbers. S~ Boys.P.S. Friday is ok with me to.TX-TornadoBlue 3TX Squadron TO

Some very good ideas on the training we need to accomplish. Personally I probably won't be able to do the Saturday night sessions. I am usually not available but that may change in the near future. At any rate pick a night and I'll do my best to make it. I also agree that setting up a training agenda that covers if not a month at least two weeks might be a good idea. On another note....I would like to see more members using GV comms when entering either the Ubi lobby or HyperLobby. There have been some times lately that I have joined and seen TX members on but not been able to contact them on comms. It would be a help when assessing the tactical situation before joining a server..... so that I can prepare myself mentally in "aggressor avoidance tactics" (AAT) thus ensuring that I might be able to remain airborne at least one minute after take-off!   I'm up for any day we decide on for the training and would be willing to try the hosting. One thing I have noticed though, while hosting here recently public games on Ubi the stutter caused by some pilots (other than TX) is getting horrendous...might need some help keeping that to a minimum through scripting or other means...B~Rocky...TX-CUDA on UBITX-CUDA on HyperLobby

About sundays training, I wont be able to make it, MCB Exam bright an early monday. Have fun gentsRemember that the online tracks coupled with occasional text chat could be useful for those who cant attend.  :-)S!TX-EcoDragon

....We had up to eight TX members online last night for our training session. Since there was no moderator/Training officer present we held a rather inpromtu session consisting of attacking ships. What we learned is that soviet ships that are not in the cruiser/battleship class can be hit by as many as 9-10 torps in quick succession and still show no damage!! Then we moved to the Coop room and flew several sorties against PE-8's and LA's with 109 G/AS's for TX Kingsnake in order to get some footage for the upcoming TX Movie ver 2.  I plan on modifying the bomber Coop map so that we can fly the FW 190 A-9 vs the D-9....film at 23:00....B~Rocky...TX-CUDA on UBITX-CUDA on HyperLobby