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« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2009, 08:23:43 pm » |
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Great pics!
Thanks. You did a great job with that review which should be entilted "Real Acrobatic Pilot Review of Logitech G940).
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Gunny
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2009, 12:58:29 pm » |
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2009, 01:13:54 pm » |
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If they have em somewhere I can demo them, or for sale at a place that I can return it you can count on it!
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2009, 02:44:46 pm » |
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Saitek X65F look way less platic then the G940./. i'll be very curious!
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2009, 12:21:35 pm » |
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As you may know the Hall positions in my trusty Cougar have become noisy in certain spots - causing spiking in Y axis when X axis is iterated to the extreme left. Rolling left hard - produced pitch deviations which make flying very very irriating and 'E' management impossible. I know I can fix it - but it will take a good portion of my Sunday.
In a fit of madness I just drove down to Fry's with the thought of testing a G940 today, Eco's extremely detailed and relevant review notwithstanding.
I thought maybe he did get a bad one - or he's more sensitive that me - or even that since he's 6 foot or over than perhaps I'd be able to get by with the system since I'm not that tall. I also thought that since Eco is a real acro pilot, that maybe he's more used to "smacking rudders" like a football player - and had a low tolerence.
So, it's raining like all heck (which is a good thing after a two year drought) - but I drove down to Fry's anyway. I was able to relocate the now tiny, Joystick and Wheel section (which used to be quite large) and low and behold - there's a G940!!!!
- With a large Returned sticker and retaped box! It was marked down a whole $10.00 though (I hate Fry's)
So I opened up the box, still continuing with this madness to find a dirty and well used Joystick, Throttle and really dirty and scratched pedals.
The joystick fit my hand well, and the throttle did not seem too bad - an extra hat on the throttle was a nice upgrade from my Cougar, even though the G940 Joystick does not have as many hats as the Cougar.
But then, the madness of the rudder pedals overcame me as I cycled them with my hands. The travel is so short I could not believe it.
"Micro rudders" was a term that immediately came to mind.
Again, questioning all I knew at this point - I put the rudders on the floor (in front of innocent shoppers mind you) - and tried them with my feet, imagining the rudder on my ROF or Il2 aircraft cycling with the input.
I was left with the simple impression that the rudder travel is so very short - that small rudder movements that I like to use when aiming and manuvering in formation for example - would be next to impossible. So for $300 smackeroo's I get rudder pedals whose tiny travel is slightly better than a twisty stick?
As I believe TB commented on, and I know Eco did too - The overwhelming insanity is the propritary connectors between all components.
If the component connections were USB - I could put my Saiteks on the thing (those are my favorite pedals btw in action - however my Cougar takes gameport and I enjoy coordinated trim programmed from my cougar) - and probably be happy.
In the end - this product is a loser - big fat 0. It's frustrating to see so many of the companies attempt to "fill a hole" in the flight sim community and do it so poorly.
Logitech usually makes good things - just not in this area. You can tell that no dedicated Combat Flight simmer with real stick and rudder skills had anything to do with this product.
Control comes first - second and third. Force feedback is an effect - it comes second.
In summary, this system sucks. You will have less real control of your aircraft by using it. It's Force Feedback merits/performance are irrelevant.
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Gunny
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2009, 02:46:45 pm » |
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Where is my plastic bag? !!!! ... wait!! .. heark! bearkk! ()&%^(&*_+_)....9*(*&^765ih puhp9078786 !! done ! Thank you Gunny great description  I wonder when are they going to do something that is serious.. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2009, 07:44:22 pm » |
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Funny but I went to Fry's tonight too to buy a pair of CH or Saitek pedals and a CH Fighterstick. . .all they had was one very well used set of Saitek pedals for 120 bucks and a used X52 for 100, or a G940 - yep I bought another one just to test out the current beta while I'm out of town. . .and to verify if the first one I had was a dud.
I'll let you know if it's the same or different as my first one.
I have no speakers or TrackIR, but I'm gonna get some flying in tonight if I can.
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2009, 08:03:18 pm » |
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Wao! 120 a used one.. Gulp!....
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2009, 09:26:38 pm » |
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Well, that's cool that your retrying it - it would be good if you found a better example - maybe the come like Intel products with E0 - B0 whatever ...
I might have to get a new stick soon - depends on how long it takes Cubby to get back to me....
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2009, 09:42:35 am » |
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LMAO @ Gunny trying out the junk in the store...and @ Eco jizzing up the flight sim stuff out of town. Now that's dedication!
I just hope you get a chance to check out the Camel and provide your invaluable input ASAP.
And I hope, Gunny, that you get your Cougar back up to snuff in short order.
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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2009, 10:29:20 am » |
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I'm so wishy-washy sometimes.....
There's a small part of me that hopes Eco has a different experience this time through.
The G940 is sort of like ROF -
- Complete system with FFB - and nice programmibility - potential: first system which combines it all - so far nuetered at birth by pedal travel, stupid connectors and centering play
- ROF - most advanced flight sim on earth - with flight models programmed by a jet jockey...
Why does everything have to look like health-care reform?
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2009, 02:45:00 pm » |
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Don't hold your breath Gunny - this one will go back too.
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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2009, 05:19:29 pm » |
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Other than news from Cubpilot - I was most looking forward to how the G940 worked out....
Back to the drawing boards...
Tell me again, did you like the Microsoft FFB you bought? I could get one of those ...
Thanks
Gunny
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 01:02:07 am » |
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OK, my previous comment wasn't fair. . .I'll try this new one one of these days and will report if the FFB is any better. I just got off work and the computer was otherwise occupied. It might be a few days before I can snag a moment on it.
Then again I'm probably building two more tomorrow. . .
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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2009, 08:04:53 am » |
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THank God! I heard from Cubbie  FIxed very very soon I'm stickless no more !!!!!! S~ Gunny |
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