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« on: November 24, 2006, 02:46:23 pm »

Folks,
           I just wanted to post this to let you know, if you're looking to join a virtual airline I believe that I've found one of the best ones out there.  www.metroairvirtual.com .  We currently have one hub in Detroit and will be adding more as the airline grows.  The biggest draw for me is the lack of arguing and flaming both online and in the forums.  We have a bunch of great members who get along wonderfully much like here at TX-Squadron.  You can find more information on us at the web address I just posted.  

           You can fly either offline or on VATSIM for enhanced realism.  We have multiple VATSIM controllers who are pilots for MetroAir.  Matter of fact...the Northeastern Vatsim Regional Director just signed up with us a couple weeks ago.  We operate a lean airline which means you are type rated.  you have to gain hours to be able to fly the larger jets and all.  We also operate off of a modeled to real life financial schema.  Our president and CEO operates his own aircraft leasing and purchase business in real life.

            Check MetroAir out - Join up...  I hope to see some familiar faces joining up soon.  Let me or Eco know if you need help getting on Vatsim and all, I would love to help anyone who needs it.



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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2006, 08:31:44 pm »

I just signed up for VATSIM
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 02:35:17 am »

will definatly look into it!
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 03:13:33 pm »

Heads up - you need to use your mommy name or they banish you.This from VATSIM to me,"TX Kingsnake,This is an automated notice from the VATSIM central database.You have been permanently suspended for the following reason:INVALID/INCORRECT PERSONAL DETAILSInvalid first and last name given at signup. PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO RE-CONNECT TO THE VATSIM NETWORK OR TRY TO CREATEA NEW ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME!  Any such attempt will result in the automaticnotification of your Regional Director.  Your Regional Director or yourDivisional Director will contact you to follow up on this matter.Please note:  You cannot reply to this automated e-mail.-VATSIM-"
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 12:36:46 am »

Kingsnake - Use a different email account and sign up with your real name.  Real name is required.  Look at MetroAir...  We all use our real names there as well... Regards,TX-Rahman"BLACK 4"
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 12:48:05 am »

While we are on the subject, VATSIM is one of those things where it actually is a good idea to read the materials they provide. There are rules and they run a tight ship. . .anyone with any time online knows how tough that can be on the internet with all the fools. They will ban people who are not treating VATSIM as seriously as they should be, but provided the person makes sincere attempts to use VATSIM with the terms of use they are quite fair. It's best not to think of VATSIM as multiplay, and instead think of it as ATC. . .they will treat you like a pilot, not a gamer. Act like a gamer and you are out of there. . .and that's the very reason it's the best place to get ATC services, at least if you are serious about realistic flight procedures.S!TX-EcoDragonBlack 1TX-Squadron XO
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 09:48:24 am »

I totally agree with Eco.  There is plenty of documentation online at Vatsim.net regarding the operations of Vatsim.  The Pilot Resource Center is a great place to start. http://www.vatsim.net/prc/  There is alot of good documentation on how to use the network, interact with controllers, and what is expected of you as a pilot on their servers.What Vatsim is not, is a place where you can fly around as you please in a P51, F15, [insert aircraft name here], etc. and not follow ATC requests and or disturb other pilots.  While you can fly around in those planes in Vatsim, it's highly advised to do so in uncontrolled space and always be prepared to talk or text with ATC if a Center comes online in the area you're flying in.For someone wanting to get better aquainted with ATC procedures, and just to get more familiar and comfortable with talking with ATC, Vatsim rocks.  You'll find alot of folks dedicated to making Vatsim as close to the real deal as possible.  ATC and pilots alike.  When I can financially afford to take flight lessons I will probably not be as freaked out by ATC and radio procedures as I would have been had it not been for Vatsim.  I know I will still be on edge but, after making flights everyday you can hear what ATC is saying more clearly. (Even though they are talking really fast)Regards,TX-Rahman"BLACK 4"
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 02:16:27 pm »

Yes, that is the best thing about VATSIM, use it correctly and it's another little bit of mental groundschool. . .loggable or meaningful to the FAA it may not be, but I'll tell you this much, it's the BEST way to start getting used to REAL WORLD radio procedures. More realistic than playing controller and pilot on the ground with your CFI (no aircraft workload and only one voice to try to understand), better than reading it in a book, better than those 200.00 communications "simulators", and it's free!. There are some areas where it's imperfect, such as the lack of enough controllers in some areas to have a different controller on station as Ground, Tower, Departure/Approach, Center etc, but if they are able most controllers will provide the services of those facilities, or at least center, approach and tower, and they will cover multiple airports, again, if they aren't too busy at their primary airport. It's more like flying at night on VATSIM, but it's quite good despite these issues.Regarding the types of operations, the pilot resource center spells it all out, but while many people on VATSIM only fly jets on IFR flight plans, that simply isn't a realistic simulation of real world ATC. In the real world there are VFR aircraft getting VFR advisories AKA flight following, there are people flying simulated instrument approaches with a  safety pilot, there are people requesting airspace transitions on VFR flights, there are people doing a formation, and even in P-51s and warbirds, some people will scoff at you in a warbird or aerobatic mount, but the fact is, if you operate it properly, respectfully, and realistically they have no grounds to complain, but recognize that most of the time people in those aircraft don't do that. Some controllers may even be a little confused about this sort of stuff, but be respectful, reply to them via private text, and explain to them your intentions and that you know what you are doing, and they will be fine with it.Flying modern fighters, performing interception of other pilots (ie formationw ithout consent of both parties) etc falls outside what is permitted on VATSIM without being part of the special division which controls such actions. Really it's simple if you try to think about it like the real world. Three of us can, assuming we know the proper way to do it, fly in a formation, do aerobatics, all of that, but we must be aware of airspace, weather, and communications requirements. When I’ve gone in and done VFR practice instrument approaches controllers have often thanked me profusely for it, at first I didn’t really understand why, but most of them have never even done that, they had to learn how to do it, but most “pilots” on VATSIM aren’t using those services, and so the controllers never get to do it, not to mention the degree of realism and ambiance it provides, at least to real world pilots, to hear such operations being carried out on the radio. Again. . .it's a good way to start thinking about real world procedures, and dare I say it, with proper preparation (ie a CFI or mentor to guide you) it’s practically radio and procedure training. S!TX-EcoDragonBlack 1TX-Squadron XO
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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 10:07:20 am »

Eco,          Every Friday MetroAir has what's called "Friday Night Lights".  A bunch of Metro pilots get on and all fly to one destination between 7-11 EST which would be 4-8pm your time.  Usually the given airports are fully staffed with  Tower, Approach, Departure, and Centers all online for the event.  It benefits everyone...  The controllers get to have a ton of aircraft arriving and departing in addition to the normal traffic there.  For the pilots, it's a chance to get some flight hours in, form relationships with your co-workers, and get some radio practice in.  While Vatsim isn't perfect as you've pointed out...it's a lot better than no atc at all or even worse....the built in MS atc.  I do wish that there were more folks on flying VFR for the realism sake of it.  It's always great to fly into a region where it's really busy such as Atlanta.  It's crazy there.  You have to be on your toes the entire time.            As for formation and interceptions...  About a month ago we were to receive some new 767's that we leased from overseas.  I knew 2 of our pilots were enroute with the heavys and watched their progress on Servinfo.  When they were about 200 miles out of Detroit I took up an F/A-18 to intercept.  I spoke with Vatsim ATC and let them know my intentions.  They were very receptive to my intercepting the flights and escorting them in.  They did lay down restrictions on how close I could be and I obeyed all commands.  It was great fun for me and a welcomed surprise by the arriving 767s.              Again...Vatsim Rocks!  To all TX folks who want to try Vatsim out... Go for it!  Let us know if you need help!Regards,TX-Rahman"BLACK 4"
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2006, 02:29:43 am »

Oh wow. I have to take an entrance exam and a courseload to get on. I think some new rules were enacted recently requiring some requisite reading and a test. So I have a few questions as to where to go and what to do and how we are going about this.
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 09:59:28 pm »

Y'all use ASRC or VRC?
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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 10:26:11 pm »

King, I guess you are interested in being a controller. . .I've dabbled in that aspect of VATSIM some, but you don't need those to fly. That is what the testing is for also. Unless things have changed a pilot doesn't have any testing to worry about. In answer to your second question, I've used both VRC and ASRC, and I sort of like ASRC better, but VRC is a little more user friendly, but again, those are radar clients so unless you want to be ATC then there isn't any reason to get those.S!TX-EcoDragonBlack 1TX-Squadron XO
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