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« on: May 19, 2003, 09:52:56 am »

S~ All,
 Just wanted to say a few things about this. I flew some rounds the night before training night with some of the guys. Went into a merge with several bandits. Went vertical with one of them , went thru a few turns with the bandit ,  managed to get around on him and popped some rounds off....down he went , a smoking fireball. Shweet ! I thought to myself , "man , I wish I had that one on tape for the movie footage". Turns out Eco had gotten it on tape , he then forwarded it to me, which I was psyched about. I thought , this might be some excellent footage for the flick.
I reviewed it and saw myself UFO'ing halfway around the world and back and then popping off some rounds into the bandit , probably while flying sideways to boot. This was a shock !!
No wonder noone wants to fly with me. If this happens regularly , no wonder. It just turns my stomach . You guys should see the clean kills that Im pulling off from my point of view though. All looks as it should from my seat. I enter a dogfight , all appears normal , I manage to get the upperhand/or not , someone goes down , and then I hear how I ufo'ed all over the place. Im always shocked to hear it too.
At this point Im not sure what to do. The thing that kills me is that sometimes all is fine. People tell me I look perfectly stable , but its usually when Im closing in for the kill or when the bandit is apparently. I then seem to UFO on out. Alot of people seem to think IM cheatiing because of this , and its caused alot of trouble over the months. Im tired of this...Why am I the only person who has this issue ? Why me ? Of all the people in the world who need a stable connect , why isnt grandmas connect this crappy ? All she wants to do is check email and stuff. Why cant I be the one with the decent connect Huh  Im going to call the cable company again to see what they'll do , but I have no idea what they'll be able to do or not at this  point. Someone suggested I go to dialup. I could do this , but my connect would be at about 26.4 . I dont think this is fast enough to support this flight sim , much less GV. Im outraged,pissed,frustrated beyong belief,angry,confused,and did I mention pissed ?!


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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2003, 11:14:18 am »

Man when you are not UFOing you have some of the best skills in the game. I have been downed many a time by you without you UFOing as well as seen you down many others without UFOing. You need to run a ping check on your line for a few hours and possibly even why playing a game. Also you need to run Tracerts. I use a program called gimmeIP. It is made by Idyle.  http://www.idyle.com/download/de_gimmip.html30 day free trial full functional. This runs through the windows client and you can ping the hell out of anything until your hearts content as well as tracert, finger and reverse lookup. get it , use it and get the evidence you need to go to your ISP. With this they are much more inclined to do something. Also hound them every single day until they fix it. If you need help using this product give me a yell on GV and I will help out. RickS~TX-FlightRisk Black 3
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2003, 03:23:15 pm »

Dial up...forget it..it is the absolute pits. I have had to deal with it only since the 9th and I HATE EVERY SECOND THAT I HAVE TO USE IT. Last night it was taking ( avg ) 17 mins per page to load. And I have a V92 Modem.If you are on DSL you need to post :What speed it is " Supposed to be "Who it is withWhat is your distance from the C.O ( Central Office ) They should have told you this before they installed you.What your tracer route is to ..say Yahoo.com. It will give you your ping times.If you are using cable..go to www.dslreports.com    then go to tools..and run a speed test. Copy down your results and post them. Then run the tweak test and you should have 3 smiley faces...2 under the left column and one under the center column. Post those results also. Wed I will be connected back and we can GV and walk thru everything then also.Lets start off at square one..what are you using to connect to the internet with ? We will go from there.Trust me..what ever you are using..we WILL make it better..one way or another.~S~BK
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2003, 03:52:11 pm »

Shadow looks up from his stupor to see some of the gang attempting to rally to his side. He trips off the barstool and catches himself on the bar.BK , Im running cable through Comcast . Does this test apply ?Shadow
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2003, 04:00:18 pm »

Ok , well here is the result of this test...It shows that the connect is very fast.kbps 257 513 769 1025 1281 1537 1793 2049 ugh   «33.6k modem download speed  ugh   «typical 56k modem download speed  slow   «single channel ISDN  bearable   «dual channel ISDN  ok   «IDSL  ok   «150k Video Stream  ok   «Fastest multiplayer games  fast   «192k 'near CD quality' MP3  faster   «300k Video Stream  rocks   «half megabit  awesome   «1mbit barrier  yourdownload   «1388 kbps  yourupload   «426 kbps  insane (2mbit barrier not shown) What do you think ? It must be a switch along the path screwin the rate up . The last time I ran a tracert with an IP Deck gave me , it showed a major lag upline somewhere about 8 hops up.???Shadow
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2003, 10:44:19 pm »

Speed is definately not an issue. It has to be :a: Your traceroute and a high latency issue at one or more hops.b. A game setting issue. PLEASE make sure in the setup for the game you have cable selected and port 22000 and NOT 56k Modem.Next ..go to www.pcpitstop.com. Run the test setup ( complete ) and follow the suggestions. Also run the ping test and note your ping times to those sites ( should be all under 100 and/or green ). If those ping tests come back with high latency results..call Comcast and tell them you have a high latency problem  and see if they can check the routing. ALSO..you can go to dslreports. com and in the forums section look for comcast and see if :a) anyone else in your area is having the same problems andb) If anyone can help. USUALLY each forum has tier 1 and tier 2 persons from that company that monitor the forum and are willing to try to help out.Also, are you running a router ? If so you may need to set up the DMZ just for when playing Will explain more if needed. If you are using a firewall you may want to UNINSTALL IT and REINSTALL it. I may also cause the types of problems you are having ( Norton is NOTORIOUS )You should have enough info now to get you started to the path of well being....~S~BK
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2003, 10:24:39 am »

The saga continues...Firstly , Id like to thank the CO for belaying my execution papers ! hehe , and secondly , Id like to thank all for their continued support and understanding about the problems Ive had and continue to have.S~ and Thanks !BK , Nice site btw , I went to pcpitstop and ran repeated tests on the machine to see if the results varied much. The ping tests all came back in the green except the last one to the australian site which pinged consistently at about 249 , but all else was at about 100 or way less even. My d/l rates varied from 1049-1400 kb/s and the uploads were between 179 and 286 or so kb/s.Upon one final ping test , I got red readings at 2000 at all sites. The instructions say that if you get exactly 2000 , then the pings arent getting to the server at all. What might this mean Huh Does this imply latency Huh and if so where is it ??Yes , I am running a router , but to troubleshoot that , a couple months ago I removed it to see if it was hanging me up and it made absolutely no difference...I still ufo'ed without it , so Im sure the router isnt doing this. This seems to be somewhat of a mystery here for sure.Just to let you all know , I also installed this app called DrTCP that seemed like a cool app to troubleshoot this type of issue. It seems to alter your TCP receive data throughput , and with high hopes i went into it and altered the settings which supposedly opened the port up quite a bit , so there wasnt any holdup on my end , I then flew that night for a bit to test , but still was told I was ufo'ing somewhat. I dont know what else to try here. I might go ahead to the forums at dslreports as you suggeested at this point. Second level support at Comcast said that the ping times between their servers and I were good and consistently so. Im still lost here !!#%!!Shadow/Ghost
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2003, 11:27:14 am »

Hmmmm. 2000 on all means that it dropped connection completely somewhere between your PC and PCpitstop. Probably more likely between you and your ISP it died. Something else to question here is, Is it getting worse at night more than daytime. This could mean that you are having trouble at a connection at your home outside at one of the couplings when it expands and contracts. Just a thought. Probably not but it happened here once.S~TX-FlightRisk Black 3
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2003, 04:33:42 pm »

Lets concentrate on the router for a min... One thing that people forget to do is to enter the MAC address of their eithernet card into the MAC clone of the Router. Forgetting to do this will freeze packets sent from your machine to the router at the router and no farther at intermittent intervals.For example..I have a Linksys router. I go into the setup and enter my ethernet cards MAC address into the router...Now my isp see's my router as me and not as another connection between me and them. If they go to ping me without me entering the MAC address they see a foreign address between me and them and also the router BLOCKS certain pings that they send me for keep alive. When the router blocks those pings..they basically ( for a mement ) disconnect me.  Then my pc upon being disconnected does an automatic renewal request and reestablishes connection. But in the mean time until my pc reestablishes connection..major latency.To get by this you enter the MAC address of your pc into the router and bascially for all intent and purpose your router becomes you.So that's one thing to look at if applicable.Another thing..does this do this in all online games or just IL-2 ? If just IL-2 then I would say remove and reinstall...IL-2.What do you have your Rwin set to in DrTCP ? Set it to 32767. All others to default ( make sure windows scaling is off ) set MTU to 1500 and then reboot. After reboot go back to dslreports and run the tweek test and post your results here ( 3 smiley faces, 2..etc... )On top in the tweek test set your speed for 3000 and normal and whatever operating system you are using.Also if it's windows XP MAKE SURE THEIR BUILT IN FIREWALL IS TURNED OFF !!!!We WILL get this issue resolved.~S~BK
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2003, 06:33:13 pm »

OK , I set DrTCP to the numbers you suggested rebooted and ran the tweak tests at dslreports which posted these results:Your Tweakable Settings:Receive Window (RWIN):  32767 Window Scaling:  off Path MTU Discovery:  ON RFC1323 Window Scaling:  OFF RFC1323 Time Stamping:  OFF Selective Acks:  ON MSS requested:  1460 TTL:  unknown TTL remaining:  116 Notes and recommendations: RWIN is in range Looking good   Example 146000 byte download Actual data bytes sent: 146000Actual data packets: 100Max packet sent (MTU): 1500Max packet recd (MTU): 1500Retransmitted data packets: 0sacks you sent: 0pushed data pkts: 9data transmit time: 0.554 secsour max idletime: 124.0 mstransfer rate: 152665 bytes/sectransfer rate: 1221 kbits/secThis is not a speed test!transfer efficiency: 100%  Notes and recommendations: Good data stream (no/few rexmits)   What do you think ?
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2003, 03:11:51 pm »

S~ All, Just for everyones info. My issues are officially closed. The repair guys came out and re-replaced the line out back , and replaced the modem as well.Based on 10 minutes of pings tests , about 4 hours of flight last night with a bunch of the guys , and some films I shot , I can now say that I am Officially stable !!!!!I know....miracles never do cease do they ?? Thank God.Lookout , the Shadow has been let out of the alley...:-)S~Cya up there...TX-ShadowWhite 3
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2003, 04:28:50 pm »

Yes yes yes. . .after about 4 hours of trackfile viewing (but I cheated at 8x speed) I bestow apon Shadow the honor of absolute 100% lag-freeness. Just goes to show the squeeky wheel really does get the oil!!I also decide that the information in this thread could be useful to others, so I have relocated it to the public Tech/Troubleshooting thread.S!TX-EcoDragonBlack 1TX Squadron XO
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