Ground Attack Theory for Il2

[TX-Kingsnake]

You can find all the footage I posted on the TX ftp. Again I think all this great work would be best in a coop. With the movement of the ground AI a coop with external views would be the best way to appreciate this. You can take any dogfight map and save it as a coop so you do not have to start all over again.TX-Kingsnake

[TX-Gunslinger]

Yeah King - I'll have to do that.  Since you first mentioned it - I've become somewhat fixated on the thought of what happens as the Mass of T-34's hit the defenses, and wether the Panzer Reserve counterattack from flanks will turn the day.  Also, it would be interesting to see if the 2nd Panzer Regiment can make it up the slope they are situated on - cause  if they can - they'll come in from the rear.Great idea.S~GunnyBlack 2 TX Flight Leader

[Dart]

Placement of ground objects has always been near and dear to my heart when building maps/missions.Besides having nice little tracers depicting ground combat, I try to figure out what the tempo of battle is and the terrain.While the 50 meter, staggered formation is the optimal, in practice this is not always held to.In towns, vehicles bunch up.  Drivers will always get too close to each other for fear of losing the convoy!They also bunch up at the bottom of hills and get spread out while climbing.  The same is true for downslopes.Convoy speed will dictate spacing as well.  The slower the convoy, the closer the interval and the less regular it is.  It is a well regulated and rare thing that a convoy avoids the "accordian" effect where large gaps form followed by a sprinting forward to catch up....which leads to another large gap.Ammunition and fuel convoys, oddly enough, are the worst at convoy disciple in every army I've seen.  They'll maintain distances approximating 50 meters, but irregularly, and often in straight convoy.  Then again, they're usually in a big fat hurry to bring the stuff up.  One never needs ammo or fuel until one needs it badly.I have never, ever seen a towed artillery convoy done correctly.  :)At depot locations, common sense seems to be thrown out of the window.  Occasionally someone will get smart and lager vehicles tactically close to, but not next to, a refuel/resupply point, but usually it turns into a mess of vehicles and men all jammed up.  I'll have to hunt around for some pictures and documents written during WWII that show what I mean and describe efforts to warn troops not to do it.With the wide proliferation of anti-aircraft guns in WWII, though, going after even a hasty field depot was dangerous work.Throw in any visibility issue (fog, darkness, rain, etc.) and every distance gets halved (or more!).

[TX-Kingsnake]

Again I think all this great work would be best in a coop.

[TX-Gunslinger]

Hey Dart,Thanks loads for the practical comments - I'm a Navy man - with little real experience in "real moving formations on land"Most of my "real world" experience is related to Carrier Strike Groups, Joint Ops (from Navy Command perspective coordinating with Land + Land Based Air) and Anti Submarien Warfare.Since my knowlege is not firsthand on convoy movement your comments help greatly.  I can use this to "tweek" scenario's with.My comments previously, were focused more towards combat deployment vice supply, transit - etc..    The "bad" examples that I posted were from units which were set up to deliberatly attack a fortified German area during good weather.Thanks,GunnyBlack 2 TX Flight Leader